Anonymous
interview with Graham Berry about Scientology
The interview
was done after the "This is Scientology !" event of
the ministry of the interior of Hamburg, Germany. It was about
the events before, during and after the conference. Subtitles
were added for your convenience.
Transcript:
This is
after the „This is Scientology !" event and I just wanted
to ask you some questions.
So,
what happened before the event, before you got here ? What difficulties
did you have with Scientology just related to the event ? When
you heard of it, when you came here.
Well,
we had no difficulties in Los Angeles except for Jason. Jason's
wife at three in the morning received a phone call from Tommy
Davis, who you all know. And Tommy wanted to talk with Jason.
And she didn't tell him until the next morning when we were
at the airport. And Jason decided he wouldn't call Tommy cause
he knew exactly what Tommy wanted to talk about. So we travelled
to Los Angeles and when we got here and got to the hotel where
we were staying, the entheta hotel in Ursula's entheta city,
we noticed that several of the people who were on the plane
were also at the hotel what by itself means nothing. But after
a while when they are constantly near us all the time we began
to wonder.
When we
noticed these two men repeatedly we began to obviously realise
they were private investigators. The first morning we were here
we learned very early that at three in the morning American
Express allegedly had phoned the hotel and ascertained the numbers,
the room numbers, of Mark and Jason's rooms. So we had to all
change our rooms immediately for fear they were going to access
the rooms while we were away. When we had our meeting at the
trade union org there were demonstrators outside from Scientology.
And inside.. Well, let me back up a moment. We also learned
that morning that David Miscavige sent his own delegation to
Hamburg from the U.S.
David Miscavige had sent Monique Yingling,
who is one of his top tax-lawyers, from Washington and had sent
Bill Walsh who is another top Scientology tax-lawyer from Washington,
along with Kendrick Moxon who is the lead attorney from within
OSA and also Tommy Davis and Jessica Rodriguez who unto recently
at least as been babysitting, shall we say, Kathie Holmes..
her children... Is there a difference ?
And they
had a job to do, apparently, and that was to stop the congress.
And they went to court.
Two pieces
of apple cake. And here is more cake, so we'll have to stop
for more cake.
Before
we had this delicious cake, I was talking about changing rooms.
And we changed rooms and we learned the real reason why D. M.
hat sent his delegation and that was to try and shut down the
congress all together. He had lawyers in Munich, over at the
court in Munich, who tried to prevent the conference from happening
or for them to have access to the panel as well. And Ms. Caberta's
lawyers convinced the court that that shouldn't happen because
they had already known for four or five weeks that it was going
to happen and if they had wanted to attend they could have sent
a letter then and made their reservations. By the time they
decided to do it it was too late and it was sold out. So there
was no room at the end for Scientology so they had an epic fail
at that.
So we started the congress and they were protesting
outside and they also, once again, tried to come inside. Sabine
Weber, the head of OSA in Germany, came in, so did Kendrick
Moxon and they still couldn't get access. Moxon approached two
of the employees at the working group of Scientology. He demanded
their passports, he demanded their identification because Mr.
Moxon was gonna sue them. For some reason Mr. Moxon, the Los
Angeles lawyer, thinks he can come to Hamburg, to entheta city,
and demand identification and passports and file lawsuits. But
they said no and he had to go away. And so both in the courts
and at the congress D. M. and his delegation had an epic fail
and went home empty handed for lower ethics conditions.
That's
very good ! I didn't get that, I was inside during that time.
But what I really found disturbing were the kids distributing
the black PR in front of the building. Did you see them ?
I didn't
see it other than looking down from the windows and when we
were driving in, but that isn't anything unusual. And what they
say in their black PR is not unusual, it is of course outrageous,
none of us are neo-nazis and none of us are storm troopers and
the like but they call us that anyway. And perhaps someone might
sue them eventually for defamation.
So,
how did you like the event at all ?
It was
a big win, it was packed to capacity, I think, and it was attended
by a lot of interesting people from right across Europe, people
from the government, people from NGOs and non-profits, lots
of Anonymous and lots of interested people from the public.
And the panel, I think was an interesting panel. Larry Brennan
gave an excellent speech on his involvement in the corporate
reorganisation of Scientology back in 1981 and 1982. The reorganisation
has lead to the current structure which he explains in his affidavit
which is on the internet, 'The affidavit of Lawrence Brennan'
I think, or maybe 'The affivadit of Larry Brennan' it can be
found under that term. Then Mark Headley spoke about some of
his experiences during his 15 years as a staff member at the
international headquarters at Golden Era Productions in Gilman
Hot Springs near Hemet, California. He has lots of interesting
anecdotes about the abuses and violence and the typical assaults
committed on staff members by David Miscavage and some of the
brutality that is conducted there.
One story
he didn't tell, that is particularly horrifying, is one set
of lower conditions he had to do. D.M. apparently is always
looking for something worse to punish staff members with. And
this time he came up with the sewage ponds. Out in Hemet they
have sewage ponds and so Mark Headley, for one ethics handling,
had to spend a number of days working in the sewage ponds up
to his thighs in sewage, without any protection whatsoever.
And that has led to have him to having permanent restroom problems.
So that's the sort of dangerous thing that Scientology, and
especially David Miscavage, can engage you. So Mark Headley
spoke very emotionally about his experiences at Gold Base. Jason
Beghe spoke publicly about his experiences as a celebrity and
the sense of betrayal he felt when he discovered the true dark
side of Scientology. And you can probably see what he said on
the internet. And then I spoke on how Scientology influences
the U.S. legal system for its own ends and I think that's probably
on the internet already and if it's not the text of my speech
will be posted sometime next week.
The
aftermath of the conference. Do you already know of things that
came out of it ?
I've just
spoken about the public event that was on Thursday evening.
And there was a media conference, a press conference that morning
and the results of that press conference have already started
appearing in the press. And that was very interesting, some
of the questions that were asked by the media about the current
condition of Scientology and its decline in both numbers and
income and its stat crashes and declining in G.I. or grows income,
decline in staff members. More people have to deal with more
problems.., sorry.
Less people dealing with more problems and
less money. So that was on the Thursday morning and on the Friday
we had a very interesting closed door briefing and discussion
with some of the representatives from different governments
across Europe and some of the different NGOs that are working
with the governments to deal with some of the crime and abuse
and infiltration of the Scientology enterprise here in Europe.
And we are already seeing the results of that in terms of increased
cooperation by those with knowledge with those who need knowledge.
And I'm speaking now of prosecutors and government officials
who need the information that some of us have and some of us
have access to so they can better do the job they are doing
now. The Belgium court case being one of them
And
now for the Anonymous crowd. Was Anonymous ever a theme in all
this or mentioned ?
Yes, Anonymous
of course made the event even more successful cause they were
there in great numbers from all across Europe. We hade Anonymous
from Ireland, we had Anonymous from England, Anonymous from
all across Germany, from Berlin, from Hamburg, from Munich,
from Stuttgart, there were people from Cyprus. It was an epic
event for Anonymous and so much more successfully because of
Anonymous and hopefully Anonymous can help us build on this
success with similar events both here and in the United States.
Inform
yourself about the abuses of Scientology !
- www.whyaretheydead.net
- www.enturbulation.org
- www.youfoundthecard.com
German:
- www.chanology.de
- www.diekartegefunden.com
- www.hamburger-anon.blogspot.com
- http://anon-hh.ning.com
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